LIVEBLOG: 2008 Vice President debate
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Ladies and Gentlemen! In this corner, marching North to the Future, hailing from the Land of the Midnight Sun, Sarah "Barracuda" Palin. And in this corner, the statesman from The First State: Joe Biden!

PALIN! it's as good as bingo. But there are always drinking games. What to watch it online? CSPAN's got you covered.

Game.

Fucking.

On.
Posted by butterstick at 6:10 PM on October 2nd 2008
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Yes! You beat me to the punch, butterstick - I was composing a nearly identical post. For posterity and linkitude, here's the text:

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In one corner, the gaffe machine from Scranton with rolled-up sleeves and a foot in his mouth. In the other, entering the ring despite injury, the hockey mom with lipstick major who will read any paper you put in front of her. Keep it clean, ref. Fight!

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Let's do this.
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Also, I dunno if images are still turned on, but deep inside I'm hoping that tonight is a....

http://www.yuwantitwhen.com/blog/wp-content/images/train_wreck1.jpg
Posted by butterstick at 7:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Dude, your post is way better than mine. Well played.
Posted by butterstick at 7:28 PM on Oct 2nd
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Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:44 PM on Oct 2nd
I will not be near my computer during the debate, so I cannot participate in what I'm sure will be a delightful thread. But my prayers are with y'all in this time of need.
Posted by BitterOldPunk at 7:50 PM on Oct 2nd
I'm really nervous. I feel like it's going to be bad for the Dems either way it goes.. Look at how they're spinning sympathy for Poor Lil' Palin out of the Katie Couric interviews.

I feel like those have been like watching someone beat up a kid in a wheelchair. You just want to tell Katie to lay off – Palin obviously has no f***ing business being on the national stage. I know it's Couric's job to push the issue, but P obviously will only make herself look stupid. (As a friend of mine pointed out tonight, it's not like a member of the football team beating up the wheelchair kid, either – more like another crippled child.) If you can't hold your own against Katie Couric, may the gods have mercy on your soul!
Posted by scartol at 7:50 PM on Oct 2nd
Hello, livebloggers. I think tonight's gonna be anticlimactic, but a girl can dream, can't she?
Posted by shiu mai baby at 7:50 PM on Oct 2nd
Say what you will about Palin, she's certainly generated a lot of interest for this debate.
Posted by brandonb at 7:50 PM on Oct 2nd
Posted by homunculus at 7:51 PM on Oct 2nd
Dude, that 23/6 thing is fucking hilarious.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 7:52 PM on Oct 2nd
Meh. PBS doesn't have any pregame.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 7:53 PM on Oct 2nd
Did you all hear about how someone "cleaned up" the Palin Wikipedia page just before McCain announced that he was choosing her? There's some analysis available here.
Posted by scartol at 7:54 PM on Oct 2nd
For all the concerns about the debate format favoring Palin, I feel like it could very easily be a boon to Biden, as well. If limited to 2 minutes, he doesn' have much time to come across as "bullying" and he's still sharp enough to have time for all of his points and rebuttals.
Posted by Hannah at 7:55 PM on Oct 2nd
PBS? You don't go to PBS for pregame! FOXNews, baby! Bill O'Reilly (Mr. "Body Language Segment" every other night) has the nerve to express concern over media scrutiny of facial expressions and hand gestures. What a butt!
Posted by scartol at 7:56 PM on Oct 2nd
For those just watching, not commenting, this link will take you to the bottom of the thread as it grows:
http://www.politicalfilter.com/content/frontpage/comments/liveblog#lastcomment
Posted by brandonb at 7:56 PM on Oct 2nd
I wish I were smart enough to write a firefox code that would auto-refresh this page.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 7:56 PM on Oct 2nd
scartol, I value my sanity too much to watch O'Reilly do anything.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 7:57 PM on Oct 2nd
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Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:58 PM on Oct 2nd
This is my first liveblogging experience. None of my friends could gather tonite, so I'll settle for a virtual rowdy crowd. I feel like Kyle and Stan playing Guitar Hero. Real guitars are for old people!
Posted by scartol at 7:58 PM on Oct 2nd
LET'S DO THIS!!!!!


(whipcrack!)

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/10/2/f_yachtrock2m_73d28bd.jpg


HALL AND OATES!!!!
Posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:59 PM on Oct 2nd
Posted by box at 7:59 PM on Oct 2nd
Why am I getting no sound from the MySpace dealie?
Posted by scartol at 8:00 PM on Oct 2nd
Posted by andrew at 8:00 PM on Oct 2nd
oh man, the cspan cameras can't do red well.

Did I just hear a starting bell?
Posted by mrzarquon at 8:01 PM on Oct 2nd
This was the fastest site registration I ever went through.
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:01 PM on Oct 2nd
Okay it's making noise now.
Posted by scartol at 8:01 PM on Oct 2nd
Gwen looks pretty in teal.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:02 PM on Oct 2nd
It's gwen!
Posted by delmoi at 8:02 PM on Oct 2nd
I like her jacket.
Posted by scartol at 8:02 PM on Oct 2nd
She's cool; I've seen her on the NewsHour. Liberal media elite!
Posted by scartol at 8:02 PM on Oct 2nd
GIMMIE BRACELETS AND DESKS AND LETS EFFING DO THIS.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:02 PM on Oct 2nd
Ifill looks and sounds good.
Posted by Hannah at 8:02 PM on Oct 2nd
Quick, everyone! Check Sarah's ears for any earpieces!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
Well, that "can I call you Joe?" was straight into Joe's lapel mic.
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
Palin blowing kisses at the crowd; "Can I call you Joe?"
Posted by Hannah at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
Salon: Is Sarah Palin just playing dumb?

Except she's clearly playing smart, using a lot of "big" words incorrectly. She sounds smart to dumb people and dumb to smart people. The worst possible combination.
Posted by delmoi at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
Palin needs a booster podium.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
I see a lump on her back. Just kidding.
Posted by scartol at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
"Can I call you Joe?"
Posted by goHermGO at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
Can he call her Sarah then?
Posted by Zaximus at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
START FESTOONING
Posted by cortex at 8:03 PM on Oct 2nd
Nice tie, Joe.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:04 PM on Oct 2nd
Why are the CNN response lines "Men" and "Women"? That's flat out insulting.
Posted by Hannah at 8:04 PM on Oct 2nd
He chose the tie to match the backdrop. Blue state latte-sipper.
Posted by scartol at 8:04 PM on Oct 2nd
*taps the keyboard*

Is this thing on?
Posted by pronoiac at 8:04 PM on Oct 2nd
Wow. Biden is smooth as ice.
Posted by delmoi at 8:04 PM on Oct 2nd
Why is Joe still looking down at his notes so much?
Posted by birdherder at 8:04 PM on Oct 2nd
Stop with the live polling, MySpace! Who'd have thought MySpace would have annoying interruptions to my web experience?
Posted by scartol at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
I <3 Joe. Clear, to the point, and easy for regglar folk to understand.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
I also wish they showed a timer or something.
Posted by Hannah at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
"Can I call you Joe?"

Ex points out that her ears are uncovered.
Posted by lysdexic at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
She needs more pins on her lapel.
Posted by scartol at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
And I thank the judges and I thank America and I thank all soccer moms
Posted by Gravy at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
Here we go with the Hockey Moms.. Betcha count: ONE
Posted by scartol at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
Time to soccer game: 15 seconds.
Time to "betcha": 20.
Posted by cortex at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
Soccer! Drink! Betcha! Drink again!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:05 PM on Oct 2nd
Barometer resounding?
Posted by Gravy at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
I brought popcorn.

Also: You'd hear fear in their voice as they realize they're about to get cornered into a conversation about economics at a soccer game.
Posted by pronoiac at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans just love it.
Posted by delmoi at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
Soccer game anecdote. Why does she insist on "folksy" anecdotal data over real data?
Posted by Hannah at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
Wow. Soccer moms and "betcha" in the first sentence!
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
She's staring into the camera too much... Snap me out of it if she starts swinging a watch.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
Oh those reform measures did a bangup job!
Posted by scartol at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
Those eyes. So dead when she looks at the camera straight-on.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
When I go to kids soccer games, they always call the cops. :(
Posted by homunculus at 8:06 PM on Oct 2nd
"Obsessive politics".. classic! VOTE FOR ME!!!
Posted by scartol at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
John McaCain Bipartisan rinse, lather, repeat
Posted by Gravy at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
Campaign suspension drop. Ugh.
Posted by Hannah at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
Wait, is she agreeing with Biden?

Full of lies, but coherent, that was nice.
Posted by lysdexic at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
Must...ignore...opponent...must...stare directly..at camera!!
Posted by Zaximus at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah just what the Democrats need, to prove how willing they are to be just like Republicans..
Posted by scartol at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
Yes but how many seconds was that comment, Joe?
Posted by scartol at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
Yay! Fundamentals quote!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:07 PM on Oct 2nd
fundamentalS!! Plural! And no he wasn't!
Posted by scartol at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
Oh here we go with the John McCain Dictionary
Posted by Gravy at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
WINK
Posted by cortex at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
Palin wink!
Posted by goHermGO at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
Good recovery/sleight-of-hand by Palin...
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
Silly Joe. Fundamentals of our economy is just John McCain dehumanizing the American work force. Which is fundamentally strong, dontcha know.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
A Team of Mavericks: Screw You and Your Fancy Washington Rules!
Posted by scartol at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
GO TEAM MAVERICK
Posted by andrew at 8:08 PM on Oct 2nd
Is she going to stare into the camera for the entirety of the ninety minutes?

You betcha.
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Biden's talking to the moderator, Palin's talking to me. Score one for her, sorry to say.
Posted by headnsouth at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Biden doesn't appear to be looking in any useful direction...not the camera or Palin, much like McCain last week.

Ooh, they prepped her for the "fundamentals" callout. That was a rote-practiced answer.
Posted by Hannah at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Wow, how do all those lies fit in her head?
Posted by lysdexic at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Awesomeness is intreched in our economic fundamentals - our workers. The best in the world.
Posted by delmoi at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
My first laugh of the night: "Where we (Repubs) are known for putting our partisan politics aside
Posted by Gravy at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Something new and different -- like John McCain! :D
Posted by scartol at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
MAVERICK! DRINK!
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
I've been smitten.
Posted by Sailormom at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Here's the new energy! Maverick! I almost got bingo already!
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Did she wink at *me*?
Posted by birdherder at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Go Gwen!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Darn right! You betcha!
Posted by scartol at 8:09 PM on Oct 2nd
Darn right. Those black folk shoulda stayed in their hunnerd thousand dollar house.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Joe Sixpack, really?
Posted by goHermGO at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
oh, i don't know if i can watch this.
Posted by mrzarquon at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Holocaust slogan count: ONE
Posted by scartol at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Darn Tootin
Those predators, those wolves, let's shoot them from the helicopters
Posted by Gravy at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Joe Sixpack for president!
Posted by homunculus at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Biden just sighed in her direction. He knows it's an uphill battle against her perk.
Posted by tomierna at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
"Never again." Indeed.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
"never again?" Spare me.

Guess they know they lost Florida.
Posted by lysdexic at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Y'all, I am already drunk and it's only two minutes into the thing. Bingo! Drink!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
I don't like this debate format at all. It's wearing out my hip boots.
Posted by brandonb at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
Joe Sixpack and Hockey Moms!

Jeeesus, it's like a cartoon.
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:10 PM on Oct 2nd
My parents told me to live as far outside our means as possible! I'm an American, dammit!
Posted by scartol at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
20 million dollar deficit? Live inside our means?
Posted by lysdexic at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
Staring past the camera makes her look even more like a deer in the headlights.

Also: Sarah Palin has a FLAG PIN to end all flag pins.
Posted by butterstick at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
Holocaust slogan count: TWO
Posted by scartol at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
"Taken advantage of"? What The HELL?!?
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
"a heck of a lot of good lessons"
Posted by mrzarquon at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
It's not the American peoples fault that they bought $300,000 houses even though their parents told them not to.
Posted by Gravy at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
She is going to play well to the proles
Posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
I'm still on my first beer and I'm already feeling sick. This perky stuff is just disgusting.
Posted by Zaximus at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
Joe does need to look at the camera more. Palin's creepy when she does it, but it does connect with the audience.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
Deer in the headlights (Tom Tomorrow)
Posted by scartol at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
This is so lame. Buncha speeches.
Posted by lysdexic at 8:11 PM on Oct 2nd
Wow, good answer from Palin. She's doing well.
Posted by delmoi at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
Thank god someone is saying we need more regulations..
Posted by scartol at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
I feel like biden is a more dynamic speaker than he's letting on
Posted by goHermGO at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
Go, Biden, go! He's hitting McCain, ignoring Palin. Awesome.
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
There ya go. Good eye contact, Joe. Keep it up.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
Darn Right count: THREE
Posted by scartol at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
This performance is like her convention speech. She's doing exactly what she needs to do.
Posted by homunculus at 8:12 PM on Oct 2nd
Darn right those millionaires need tax relief
Posted by Gravy at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
She absolutely douses her rhetoric in "folksy" phrasing. "Heckuva" "darn" and the call-outs to "Joe Sixpack" and the hockey moms....it's so transparent it's painful.

As far as the CNN reaction lines go, women seem to love both VP candidates more than men do. Ugh, who else has good coverage, the gendered line reactions are bugging me.
Posted by Hannah at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
Is that whole thing one flag pin?
Posted by scartol at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
We agree Joe! Darn right! Obama! Increased taxes!
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
Come to PBS. It's bland, but it's squiggly-line free.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
My wife says the 4x,000/yr tax increase is "BS"
Posted by scartol at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
Is there any chance of this getting away from talking points and rehashed stump speeches?
Posted by goHermGO at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
I want Joe to throw a very nice, eloquent insult into one of his responses, and have Palin go "Darn Right, I agree" just because it would be funny.
Posted by mrzarquon at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
(I was talking about the answer before last. The one about predatory lenders)
Posted by delmoi at 8:13 PM on Oct 2nd
"Private spectre"? Did I just hear that?

Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud...
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
Nice riposte, Joe.. Take that, McCain!
Posted by scartol at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
I like how she waves everytime she mentions middle class, as if she's supposed to be one of them.
Posted by Zaximus at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
My PBS feed is in glorious HD but the sound is out of sync so it looks like Gov Palin's words are dubbed over.
Posted by birdherder at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
Call her on non-answers. Good.
Posted by cortex at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
Ooh, good call on the factual de-spin rebuttal on the fake tax raise argument there, Joe.
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah, I'm guessing most of the time Palin says "Obama...blah-blahed" it is going to be a lie
Posted by Gravy at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
"Fuck you, I don't have to answer your questions!"
Posted by cortex at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah, she's a Maverick! Screw you, moderator! I'm not gonna answer how you want me to!
Posted by scartol at 8:14 PM on Oct 2nd
PALIN: FUCK YOU AND YOUR QUESTIONS!
Posted by delmoi at 8:15 PM on Oct 2nd
birdherder, I'm not getting any syncing issues on the HD feed. Could it be a local thing?
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:15 PM on Oct 2nd
Gov, you live in a subsidized state! You don't need fucking taxes. We're paying for you!
Posted by lysdexic at 8:15 PM on Oct 2nd
Oh boy. I'm not going to answer the questions you want me to answer because I am a Maverick!
Posted by Gravy at 8:15 PM on Oct 2nd
I may not answer the questions the way the moderator or Senator Biden wants but I want to talk straight to the people and ITS MY PARTY AND I CRY IF I WANT TO
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:15 PM on Oct 2nd
To be fair, ignoring "rules" and "questions" are pretty standard fare for the GOP.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:15 PM on Oct 2nd
If she was gonna talk to the people, she woulda done it already.
Posted by lysdexic at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
Gwen, WTF? Talk about a butchered question.
Posted by butterstick at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
I need to see my dentist, the sugar is killing me.
Posted by brandonb at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
Oh thank god Gwen's bringing up the absurd McCain plan to tax health benefits. I can't wait to see Palin worm out of that one.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
I like that Palin keeps saying "predator lenders" - that was one of those low-level vocab wars that was going on between activists and the payday lending industry. I'm glad to see that Palin's lack of awareness of the context of these things is letting her popularize the term
Posted by yarrow at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
I can't even be bothered to sort through the numbers right now.. Do all these stats serve a purpose, considering it all gets spun into infinity within hours?
Posted by scartol at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
She doesn't have to worm out of anything. She's just going to recite talking points 4 through 7.
Posted by Zaximus at 8:16 PM on Oct 2nd
I'm just a simple caveman lawyer hockey mom....
Posted by andrew at 8:17 PM on Oct 2nd
Thanks for finally talking to me joe.. now win!
Posted by goHermGO at 8:17 PM on Oct 2nd
Biden is very eloquent. I haven't really listened to him talk much before, but he's impressive. Not an "uh" or "um" out of him, either.

And there's Palin, using big words in a not-quite-right manner.
Posted by Hannah at 8:17 PM on Oct 2nd
As if 700 billion to Wall Street isn't "redistribution of weath"..
Posted by scartol at 8:17 PM on Oct 2nd
(Thanks, andrew...)
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
"Redistribution of wealth!" Clarion call to the superweathy republicans.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
She's blinking a lot, isn't she? Is it the bangs? Is she communicating in code?
Posted by pronoiac at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah government was the problem on Wall Street there, huh? Nice one, Pale-on!
Posted by scartol at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
Palin, try not to look too much like Fey mocking your smiliness. It's creepy.
Posted by cortex at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
Ugh, I must be on my fourth card for Palin bingo.
Posted by Hannah at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
"Government, yer not always the solution" Oh god, she is just kidding.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
Look at meeee! I'm middle class!
Posted by lysdexic at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah, nice one Andrew.. I may not understand your fancy microwave ovens..
Posted by scartol at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah, it's patriotic to despise and dismantle your government!
Posted by Slarty Bartfast at 8:18 PM on Oct 2nd
AH god damn it CSPAN is getting all buggy on me.
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:19 PM on Oct 2nd
I think it's safe to say that unless things start going downhill, we're going to be trainwreck free, at least.
Posted by cortex at 8:19 PM on Oct 2nd
Who could possibly be pleased with the way the federal government has been running anything lately?
Posted by yarrow at 8:19 PM on Oct 2nd
I'm pleased with the way the federal government is running Social Security. Best government program ever.. Vastly reduced levels of senior poverty, no question..
Posted by scartol at 8:19 PM on Oct 2nd
Sweetie, your party has been in charge!

Erase the state borders? What about state's rights?
Posted by lysdexic at 8:19 PM on Oct 2nd
DESTROY THE GOVERNMENT! ELECT ME TO DESTROY THE GOVERNMENT!
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:19 PM on Oct 2nd
Sometimes redistribution is fairness.. To be fair..
Posted by scartol at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Cross state lines to get abortions, if you have your way, you fucking moron.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
PALIN: Yes I did memorize John McCain's health care "plan" talking points.
Posted by delmoi at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Don't jinx my popcorn, cortex...
Posted by pronoiac at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
This is incredible. Palin chucks out a lie, Biden shatters it. It's like a verbal skeet-shooting match.
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Keep smiling, governer.

Here's hoping she gets writers cramp
Posted by lysdexic at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Awesome. Hammer it home, Joe. The McCain healthcare plan is the most jacked proposition ever.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
I want Republicans someday to talk about distribution of wealth and how unfair that is, instead of constantly whining about redistribution..
Posted by scartol at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Has Biden had recent eye work done? Looks like a nip tuck to me.
Posted by kimdog at 8:20 PM on Oct 2nd
Right on, go after McCain's absurd health care plan.
Posted by Slarty Bartfast at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
Biden is talking directly to America....I like it. Ooh, "Bridge to Nowhere"!!!
Posted by Hannah at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
Stay Classy, Audience
Posted by goHermGO at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
Ooo burn in your face, Palin! The ultimate Bridge to Nowhere..
Posted by scartol at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
Heh, laugh on the Bridge to Nowhere bit. Lame, but got a laugh.
Posted by cortex at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
What did he just say about the Bridge to Nowhere?
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
She is flinging the bullshit wide and deep. Being "Patriotic" to the GOP is being in lockstep with whatever crap the government dishes out. Like taking your shoes off at the airport.
Posted by Gravy at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
Joe is sounding like my accountant. I don't understand him either. Just tell me where to sign, and let's keep it at that.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
Nice retort on McCains health plan.
Posted by kimdog at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
This is very dueling-popular-appeals so far.
Posted by cortex at 8:21 PM on Oct 2nd
That's easy for you to say, Joe.
Posted by Hannah at 8:22 PM on Oct 2nd
But Palin is pretty and smiles a lot!
Posted by brandonb at 8:22 PM on Oct 2nd
Sure he does.. Tire inflation!
Posted by scartol at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
"Characterised."

I guess it's the zed. Which you might call a zee. Crazy world.
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
John McCain certainly never says two different thing about the same thing, yeah.
Posted by cortex at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
I don't know what to say, so I'm not going to answer your question
Posted by lysdexic at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
She's such a dingus! I knew Dan Quayle, Ms. Palin. I worked with Dan Quayle. And you, Ms. Palin, are no Dan Quayle.
Posted by scartol at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
what? John McCain wants Bush to veto the bill he voted for last night!
Posted by birdherder at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
Oh yeah she's been soooo oppositional to the oil companies.. I heard they all pulled out of there. "Bless their hearts"! To CEOs!
Posted by scartol at 8:23 PM on Oct 2nd
Value like bridges and hockey arenas and shopping centers
Posted by lysdexic at 8:24 PM on Oct 2nd
Bless their hearts. And just stab me in mine, too, ok?
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:24 PM on Oct 2nd
Did she just bless those oil bastards hearts?
Posted by Sailormom at 8:24 PM on Oct 2nd
Why isn't gwen making palin answer the questions?
Posted by headnsouth at 8:24 PM on Oct 2nd
Go, Gwen! Go!

I haven't promised anything, so you can't expect anything from me! no fair!
Posted by lysdexic at 8:24 PM on Oct 2nd
Wow, this strategy of just bringing up random talking points is very confusing. How to keep up with the actual question?
Posted by yarrow at 8:24 PM on Oct 2nd
She is making me feel all stabby.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
"You" includes your running mate, about whose policies you should in theory be aware.
Posted by cortex at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
No, we don't want oversight.. We want REGULATION! There's a difference, you dingus!
Posted by scartol at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
Ex says 'she played Couric'
Posted by lysdexic at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
PALIN: I KNOW MORE ABOUT ENERGY THEN ANYONE IN AMERICA.

(but I don't know anything about what our campaign has promised)
Posted by delmoi at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
Did she just disavow McCain and all his "promises"?
Posted by butterstick at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
I really like how Joe is debating the guy who isn't there.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
I don't get mad. I get stabby. First Simpsons reference of the evening? Nice..
Posted by scartol at 8:25 PM on Oct 2nd
I like her shoes. There. I can say something nice about Palin.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:26 PM on Oct 2nd
Way to turn it back on her Joe!
Posted by kimdog at 8:26 PM on Oct 2nd
Ooooo and the Americans salivate at the sound of a $1000.00 check!
Posted by Gravy at 8:26 PM on Oct 2nd
Bidens "widfall tax" answer was fantastic.
Posted by butterstick at 8:26 PM on Oct 2nd
She's not a hideous mutant creature from Neptune. There, I can say something nice about Palin. Everybody else, your turn.
Posted by scartol at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
Audio guy is shite - there are more rings than a pawn shop in that room.
Posted by tomierna at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
It was a bit wonky, though.
Posted by cortex at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
Was "kind of rear that head" in the drinking game?
Posted by yarrow at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
Nobody's gaffing! Gaffe, damnit!
Posted by Zaximus at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
So you'd still string up mortgage strapped people, then? got it.

She's a smoooooth talker
Posted by lysdexic at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
Actually Biden was really the driving force on making bankruptcy more difficult.
Posted by delmoi at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
John McCain is such a reformer that he reformed the system so that poor people got fucked over even further when they needed to declare bankruptcy. Also: ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU STUPID COW.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
Corruption and greed on Wall Street? Since when?

But the movie was FICTION!
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
I think Biden's windfall answer through Palin off, she looks shaken.
Posted by brandonb at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
From your lips, Zax.. Main street and wall street mixup..
Posted by scartol at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
Thank John McCain?

There are some things I'd like to thank him for, but I don't think they are any of the things she's just mentioned.
Posted by goHermGO at 8:27 PM on Oct 2nd
"We need to be appreciative of John McCain. We need to lick his shoes. We need to slather him with mooseburgers and roll our nubile bodies all over him."
Posted by Gravy at 8:28 PM on Oct 2nd
So when is Biden going to mention that McCain never actually stopped campaigning?
Posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 8:28 PM on Oct 2nd
The bankruptcy reform bill is my one big grudge against Biden.
Posted by yarrow at 8:28 PM on Oct 2nd
Did she just say on the finance crisis "it's a toxic mess on Main St that affects Wall St"??
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:28 PM on Oct 2nd
shiu mai baby: Get some white wine. When she's annoying, have some. You don't have to work tomorrow, do you?
Posted by pronoiac at 8:28 PM on Oct 2nd
PrinciPal.. it's a P not a B.. But he's right, tho..
Posted by scartol at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
goodnews: You betcha!
Posted by scartol at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
Palin's got that scharmy "You're fucking stupid" look down.
Posted by brandonb at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION FOR FUCKING OUT LOUD.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
Gwen, please don't set up yes-or-no rebuttals. "Is that so" is not a good prompt.
Posted by cortex at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
"All that we can! Drill baby Drill!"
Posted by lysdexic at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
Well, given Biden's close ties to the banks and credit cards, it's unsurprising ...

Wait, what? We're back on energy? I've got whiplash over here.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:29 PM on Oct 2nd
Ticket...ticket...ticket...that's a fun word isn't it?
Posted by Gravy at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
It is not so. There, I answered a question. Now, where was I?
Posted by Zaximus at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
This is not going well.
Posted by headnsouth at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
She spent 30 seconds spouting words without making any points. Then whined about not being able DRILL BABY DRILL In alaska.
Posted by delmoi at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
Anyone playing the bingo? Is tough.
Posted by butterstick at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
Well, given Biden's close ties to the banks and credit cards, it's unsurprising ...

Seriously, that was wide open for her.
Posted by yarrow at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
"East Coast Politicians." Read: librul gay faggy elites keeping us from drillin' in that useless chunk of land called ANWAR
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
It doesn't matter what caused it!
Posted by scartol at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
What happens when she runs out of paper?
Posted by lysdexic at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
Ooooo tapping into that magic oil baby. That wonderful magic, slippery oil.
Posted by Gravy at 8:30 PM on Oct 2nd
No, you're not giving energy companies "tax breaks". They're called "subsidies".
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:31 PM on Oct 2nd
Her delayed reaction in going back to previous questions is kind of amusing. It's like the Pre-recorded Call-In Show. Or a Time Machine bit on SNL.
Posted by pronoiac at 8:31 PM on Oct 2nd
See, you east coast politicians don't realize that we have *oil* in Alaska!
Posted by Slarty Bartfast at 8:31 PM on Oct 2nd
Every man activity of man.
Posted by cortex at 8:31 PM on Oct 2nd
It's just God huggin' us closer!
Posted by scartol at 8:31 PM on Oct 2nd
PALIN: I do not attribute all of man's activities to global warming.
Posted by delmoi at 8:31 PM on Oct 2nd
Palin's speaking style is really grating. It's like she's literally sewing together talking points.
Posted by brandonb at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
Can this climate change answer be the trainwreck moment?
Posted by butterstick at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
She's on safer ground with climate change

christ, she went back to drill baby drill
Posted by lysdexic at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
Impacts! Four times!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
How many times can you say "climate change impacts" in one breath?
Posted by Hannah at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
I see some emissions you can get rid of right now. The ones coming out of your stupid yap.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
wtf is she talking about?
Posted by delmoi at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
Yeah, drill offshore to stop global warming! OH YEAH the US cares more about global warming than all those faggy Kyoto signatories!
Posted by scartol at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
I don't want to argue about the causes because you can just magically "clean-up" the planet without knowing what caused the problem. Jesus told me so.
Posted by Gravy at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
You can actually pinpoint the exact moments her single track train of thought gets derailed. Watch her smiles.
Posted by Zaximus at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
Should I be concerned about this CNN graph thing?
Posted by goHermGO at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
My empathy is kicking in too much - I feel sorry for her (is that in the drinking game?).
Posted by yarrow at 8:32 PM on Oct 2nd
JOE BIDEN: "JOE BIDEN!!!! AND JOE BIDEN!"
Posted by delmoi at 8:33 PM on Oct 2nd
She's making me angrier than the speed of my fingers.
Posted by scartol at 8:33 PM on Oct 2nd
Bingo! Joe got it.
Posted by Gravy at 8:33 PM on Oct 2nd
I do not attribute all of man's activities to global warming.

Somehow I parsed that as "man's activities as a result of global warming"

"I only blame short shorts on bad fashion, not global warming"
Posted by mrzarquon at 8:33 PM on Oct 2nd
Mock the drilling. Good.
Posted by cortex at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
Actually most solar panels are made in China as well.

BIDEN: "DRILL BABY DRILL! JOE BIDEN LOVES THE DRILL!!!"
Posted by delmoi at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
Man. I don't know if it's confirmation bias or not, but she really seems to be getting more rambly, not less, as this thing wears on. I don't think she's doing very well. Again, probably confirmation bias. But at least Joe is staying on message, and, you know, answering the question.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
Man, I'm so glad I don't have to memorize all the voting specifics for my running mate as well as the opposition
Posted by Gravy at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
This is like the UN and Model UN were both given the same conference room.
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
PEOPLE ARE STARVING FOR OIL
Posted by cortex at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
Those people chanting "Drill Baby Drill" are dentists, advocating good periodontal health. Oops, I mean: They're idiots.
Posted by scartol at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
She's so fucking proud of the "Drill, Baby, Drill" thing. I think I'm gonna be sick.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:34 PM on Oct 2nd
She does not play the pedant well. "The chant is Drill, Baby, Drill, Joe you ignorant slut."
Posted by andrew at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
"Clean, grean natural gas".

FUCKING HILARIOUS
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
OK, I switched to CNN. Women hate "drill baby drill."
Posted by yarrow at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
Senator O'Biden. She just made him Irisher!
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
People are so hungry for oil. They want us to tap into the earth and let the oil flow right into their mouths.
Posted by Gravy at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
shiu, she seems a bit more rambly to me too, but not necessarily signficantly so. We'll see.

TINY FOOTPRINTS
Posted by cortex at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
Tiny footprints? How can that be bad?
Posted by birdherder at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
("grean"? I'm drinking too heavily already.)
Posted by Capt. Renault at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
Are we winning yet?
Posted by goHermGO at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
Senator O'Biden?
Posted by Zaximus at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
Nuke u laaaaar!
Posted by lysdexic at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
"New-cue-ler"!
Posted by Hannah at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
Sarah Palin drinks your milkshake.
Posted by shiu mai baby at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
"Raping the continental shelf."

Also, there's no conversation going on. Zero.
Posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 8:35 PM on Oct 2nd
hahaha, she actually said it

"DRILL BABY DRILL, FLOW INTO HUNGRY MARKETS!!"

Will Palin make the earth pay for it's own rape kit?
Posted by delmoi at 8:36 PM on Oct 2nd
bottomhole n: the lowest or deepest part of a well.

Now you can ask: are we there yet?
Posted by lysdexic at 8:36 PM on Oct 2nd
WHERE ARE THE BRACELETS
Posted by brandonb at 8:36 PM on Oct 2nd
I've got my WristStrong™ bracelet on..
Posted by scartol at 8:36 PM on Oct 2nd
Now, the gay-baiting portion of the program.
Posted by cortex at 8:36 PM on Oct 2nd