LIVEBLOG: 2008 Vice President debate
Ladies and Gentlemen! In this corner, marching North to the Future, hailing from the Land of the Midnight Sun, Sarah "Barracuda" Palin. And in this corner, the statesman from The First State: Joe Biden!

PALIN! it's as good as bingo. But there are always drinking games. What to watch it online? CSPAN's got you covered.


Game.

Fucking.

On.


756 comments submitted.
Yes! You beat me to the punch, butterstick - I was composing a nearly identical post. For posterity and linkitude, here's the text:

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In one corner, the gaffe machine from Scranton with rolled-up sleeves and a foot in his mouth. In the other, entering the ring despite injury, the hockey mom with lipstick major who will read any paper you put in front of her. Keep it clean, ref. Fight!

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Let's do this.
Also, I dunno if images are still turned on, but deep inside I'm hoping that tonight is a....

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Dude, your post is way better than mine. Well played.
I will not be near my computer during the debate, so I cannot participate in what I'm sure will be a delightful thread. But my prayers are with y'all in this time of need.
I'm really nervous. I feel like it's going to be bad for the Dems either way it goes.. Look at how they're spinning sympathy for Poor Lil' Palin out of the Katie Couric interviews.

I feel like those have been like watching someone beat up a kid in a wheelchair. You just want to tell Katie to lay off – Palin obviously has no f***ing business being on the national stage. I know it's Couric's job to push the issue, but P obviously will only make herself look stupid. (As a friend of mine pointed out tonight, it's not like a member of the football team beating up the wheelchair kid, either – more like another crippled child.) If you can't hold your own against Katie Couric, may the gods have mercy on your soul!
Hello, livebloggers. I think tonight's gonna be anticlimactic, but a girl can dream, can't she?
Say what you will about Palin, she's certainly generated a lot of interest for this debate.
Dude, that 23/6 thing is fucking hilarious.
Meh. PBS doesn't have any pregame.
Did you all hear about how someone "cleaned up" the Palin Wikipedia page just before McCain announced that he was choosing her? There's some analysis available here.
For all the concerns about the debate format favoring Palin, I feel like it could very easily be a boon to Biden, as well. If limited to 2 minutes, he doesn' have much time to come across as "bullying" and he's still sharp enough to have time for all of his points and rebuttals.
PBS? You don't go to PBS for pregame! FOXNews, baby! Bill O'Reilly (Mr. "Body Language Segment" every other night) has the nerve to express concern over media scrutiny of facial expressions and hand gestures. What a butt!
For those just watching, not commenting, this link will take you to the bottom of the thread as it grows:
http://www.politicalfilter.com/content/frontpage/comments/liveblog#lastcomment
I wish I were smart enough to write a firefox code that would auto-refresh this page.
scartol, I value my sanity too much to watch O'Reilly do anything.
This is my first liveblogging experience. None of my friends could gather tonite, so I'll settle for a virtual rowdy crowd. I feel like Kyle and Stan playing Guitar Hero. Real guitars are for old people!
LET'S DO THIS!!!!!


(whipcrack!)

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HALL AND OATES!!!!
Why am I getting no sound from the MySpace dealie?
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Saddle up, let's go dancin'
oh man, the cspan cameras can't do red well.

Did I just hear a starting bell?
This was the fastest site registration I ever went through.
Okay it's making noise now.
Gwen looks pretty in teal.
It's gwen!
I like her jacket.
She's cool; I've seen her on the NewsHour. Liberal media elite!
GIMMIE BRACELETS AND DESKS AND LETS EFFING DO THIS.
Ifill looks and sounds good.
Quick, everyone! Check Sarah's ears for any earpieces!
Well, that "can I call you Joe?" was straight into Joe's lapel mic.
Palin blowing kisses at the crowd; "Can I call you Joe?"
Salon: Is Sarah Palin just playing dumb?

Except she's clearly playing smart, using a lot of "big" words incorrectly. She sounds smart to dumb people and dumb to smart people. The worst possible combination.
Palin needs a booster podium.
I see a lump on her back. Just kidding.
"Can I call you Joe?"
Can he call her Sarah then?
START FESTOONING
Nice tie, Joe.
Why are the CNN response lines "Men" and "Women"? That's flat out insulting.
He chose the tie to match the backdrop. Blue state latte-sipper.
*taps the keyboard*

Is this thing on?
Wow. Biden is smooth as ice.
Why is Joe still looking down at his notes so much?
Stop with the live polling, MySpace! Who'd have thought MySpace would have annoying interruptions to my web experience?
I <3 Joe. Clear, to the point, and easy for regglar folk to understand.
I also wish they showed a timer or something.
"Can I call you Joe?"

Ex points out that her ears are uncovered.
She needs more pins on her lapel.
And I thank the judges and I thank America and I thank all soccer moms
Here we go with the Hockey Moms.. Betcha count: ONE
Time to soccer game: 15 seconds.
Time to "betcha": 20.
Soccer! Drink! Betcha! Drink again!
Barometer resounding?
I brought popcorn.

Also: You'd hear fear in their voice as they realize they're about to get cornered into a conversation about economics at a soccer game.
FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans just love it.
Soccer game anecdote. Why does she insist on "folksy" anecdotal data over real data?
Wow. Soccer moms and "betcha" in the first sentence!
She's staring into the camera too much... Snap me out of it if she starts swinging a watch.
Oh those reform measures did a bangup job!
Those eyes. So dead when she looks at the camera straight-on.
When I go to kids soccer games, they always call the cops. :(
"Obsessive politics".. classic! VOTE FOR ME!!!
John McaCain Bipartisan rinse, lather, repeat
Campaign suspension drop. Ugh.
Wait, is she agreeing with Biden?

Full of lies, but coherent, that was nice.
Must...ignore...opponent...must...stare directly..at camera!!
Yeah just what the Democrats need, to prove how willing they are to be just like Republicans..
Yes but how many seconds was that comment, Joe?
Yay! Fundamentals quote!
fundamentalS!! Plural! And no he wasn't!
Oh here we go with the John McCain Dictionary
WINK
Palin wink!
Good recovery/sleight-of-hand by Palin...
Silly Joe. Fundamentals of our economy is just John McCain dehumanizing the American work force. Which is fundamentally strong, dontcha know.
A Team of Mavericks: Screw You and Your Fancy Washington Rules!
GO TEAM MAVERICK
Is she going to stare into the camera for the entirety of the ninety minutes?

You betcha.
Biden's talking to the moderator, Palin's talking to me. Score one for her, sorry to say.
Biden doesn't appear to be looking in any useful direction...not the camera or Palin, much like McCain last week.

Ooh, they prepped her for the "fundamentals" callout. That was a rote-practiced answer.
Wow, how do all those lies fit in her head?
Awesomeness is intreched in our economic fundamentals - our workers. The best in the world.
My first laugh of the night: "Where we (Repubs) are known for putting our partisan politics aside
Something new and different -- like John McCain! :D
MAVERICK! DRINK!
I've been smitten.
Here's the new energy! Maverick! I almost got bingo already!
Did she wink at *me*?
Go Gwen!
Darn right! You betcha!
Darn right. Those black folk shoulda stayed in their hunnerd thousand dollar house.
Joe Sixpack, really?
oh, i don't know if i can watch this.
Holocaust slogan count: ONE
Darn Tootin
Those predators, those wolves, let's shoot them from the helicopters
Joe Sixpack for president!
Biden just sighed in her direction. He knows it's an uphill battle against her perk.
"Never again." Indeed.
"never again?" Spare me.

Guess they know they lost Florida.
Y'all, I am already drunk and it's only two minutes into the thing. Bingo! Drink!
I don't like this debate format at all. It's wearing out my hip boots.
Joe Sixpack and Hockey Moms!

Jeeesus, it's like a cartoon.
My parents told me to live as far outside our means as possible! I'm an American, dammit!
20 million dollar deficit? Live inside our means?
Staring past the camera makes her look even more like a deer in the headlights.

Also: Sarah Palin has a FLAG PIN to end all flag pins.
Holocaust slogan count: TWO
"Taken advantage of"? What The HELL?!?
"a heck of a lot of good lessons"
It's not the American peoples fault that they bought $300,000 houses even though their parents told them not to.
She is going to play well to the proles
I'm still on my first beer and I'm already feeling sick. This perky stuff is just disgusting.
Joe does need to look at the camera more. Palin's creepy when she does it, but it does connect with the audience.
Deer in the headlights (Tom Tomorrow)
This is so lame. Buncha speeches.
Wow, good answer from Palin. She's doing well.
Thank god someone is saying we need more regulations..
I feel like biden is a more dynamic speaker than he's letting on
Go, Biden, go! He's hitting McCain, ignoring Palin. Awesome.
There ya go. Good eye contact, Joe. Keep it up.
Darn Right count: THREE
This performance is like her convention speech. She's doing exactly what she needs to do.
Darn right those millionaires need tax relief
She absolutely douses her rhetoric in "folksy" phrasing. "Heckuva" "darn" and the call-outs to "Joe Sixpack" and the hockey moms....it's so transparent it's painful.

As far as the CNN reaction lines go, women seem to love both VP candidates more than men do. Ugh, who else has good coverage, the gendered line reactions are bugging me.
Is that whole thing one flag pin?
We agree Joe! Darn right! Obama! Increased taxes!
Come to PBS. It's bland, but it's squiggly-line free.
My wife says the 4x,000/yr tax increase is "BS"
Is there any chance of this getting away from talking points and rehashed stump speeches?
I want Joe to throw a very nice, eloquent insult into one of his responses, and have Palin go "Darn Right, I agree" just because it would be funny.
(I was talking about the answer before last. The one about predatory lenders)
"Private spectre"? Did I just hear that?

Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud...
Nice riposte, Joe.. Take that, McCain!
I like how she waves everytime she mentions middle class, as if she's supposed to be one of them.
My PBS feed is in glorious HD but the sound is out of sync so it looks like Gov Palin's words are dubbed over.
Call her on non-answers. Good.
Ooh, good call on the factual de-spin rebuttal on the fake tax raise argument there, Joe.
Yeah, I'm guessing most of the time Palin says "Obama...blah-blahed" it is going to be a lie
"Fuck you, I don't have to answer your questions!"
Yeah, she's a Maverick! Screw you, moderator! I'm not gonna answer how you want me to!
PALIN: FUCK YOU AND YOUR QUESTIONS!
birdherder, I'm not getting any syncing issues on the HD feed. Could it be a local thing?
Gov, you live in a subsidized state! You don't need fucking taxes. We're paying for you!
Oh boy. I'm not going to answer the questions you want me to answer because I am a Maverick!
I may not answer the questions the way the moderator or Senator Biden wants but I want to talk straight to the people and ITS MY PARTY AND I CRY IF I WANT TO
To be fair, ignoring "rules" and "questions" are pretty standard fare for the GOP.
If she was gonna talk to the people, she woulda done it already.
Gwen, WTF? Talk about a butchered question.
I need to see my dentist, the sugar is killing me.
Oh thank god Gwen's bringing up the absurd McCain plan to tax health benefits. I can't wait to see Palin worm out of that one.
I like that Palin keeps saying "predator lenders" - that was one of those low-level vocab wars that was going on between activists and the payday lending industry. I'm glad to see that Palin's lack of awareness of the context of these things is letting her popularize the term
I can't even be bothered to sort through the numbers right now.. Do all these stats serve a purpose, considering it all gets spun into infinity within hours?
She doesn't have to worm out of anything. She's just going to recite talking points 4 through 7.
I'm just a simple <strike>caveman lawyer</strike> hockey mom....
Thanks for finally talking to me joe.. now win!
Biden is very eloquent. I haven't really listened to him talk much before, but he's impressive. Not an "uh" or "um" out of him, either.

And there's Palin, using big words in a not-quite-right manner.
As if 700 billion to Wall Street isn't "redistribution of weath"..
(Thanks, andrew...)
"Redistribution of wealth!" Clarion call to the superweathy republicans.
She's blinking a lot, isn't she? Is it the bangs? Is she communicating in code?
Yeah government was the problem on Wall Street there, huh? Nice one, Pale-on!
Palin, try not to look too much like Fey mocking your smiliness. It's creepy.
Ugh, I must be on my fourth card for Palin bingo.
"Government, yer not always the solution" Oh god, she is just kidding.
Look at meeee! I'm middle class!
Yeah, nice one Andrew.. I may not understand your fancy microwave ovens..
Yeah, it's patriotic to despise and dismantle your government!
AH god damn it CSPAN is getting all buggy on me.
I think it's safe to say that unless things start going downhill, we're going to be trainwreck free, at least.
Who could possibly be pleased with the way the federal government has been running anything lately?
I'm pleased with the way the federal government is running Social Security. Best government program ever.. Vastly reduced levels of senior poverty, no question..
Sweetie, your party has been in charge!

Erase the state borders? What about state's rights?
DESTROY THE GOVERNMENT! ELECT ME TO DESTROY THE GOVERNMENT!
Sometimes redistribution is fairness.. To be fair..
Cross state lines to get abortions, if you have your way, you fucking moron.
PALIN: Yes I did memorize John McCain's health care "plan" talking points.
Don't jinx my popcorn, cortex...
This is incredible. Palin chucks out a lie, Biden shatters it. It's like a verbal skeet-shooting match.
Keep smiling, governer.

Here's hoping she gets writers cramp
Awesome. Hammer it home, Joe. The McCain healthcare plan is the most jacked proposition ever.
I want Republicans someday to talk about distribution of wealth and how unfair that is, instead of constantly whining about redistribution..
Has Biden had recent eye work done? Looks like a nip tuck to me.
Right on, go after McCain's absurd health care plan.
Biden is talking directly to America....I like it. Ooh, "Bridge to Nowhere"!!!
Stay Classy, Audience
Ooo burn in your face, Palin! The ultimate Bridge to Nowhere..
Heh, laugh on the Bridge to Nowhere bit. Lame, but got a laugh.
What did he just say about the Bridge to Nowhere?
She is flinging the bullshit wide and deep. Being "Patriotic" to the GOP is being in lockstep with whatever crap the government dishes out. Like taking your shoes off at the airport.
Joe is sounding like my accountant. I don't understand him either. Just tell me where to sign, and let's keep it at that.
Nice retort on McCains health plan.
This is very dueling-popular-appeals so far.
That's easy for you to say, Joe.
But Palin is pretty and smiles a lot!
Sure he does.. Tire inflation!
"Characterised."

I guess it's the zed. Which you might call a zee. Crazy world.
John McCain certainly never says two different thing about the same thing, yeah.
I don't know what to say, so I'm not going to answer your question
She's such a dingus! I knew Dan Quayle, Ms. Palin. I worked with Dan Quayle. And you, Ms. Palin, are no Dan Quayle.
what? John McCain wants Bush to veto the bill he voted for last night!
ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.
Oh yeah she's been soooo oppositional to the oil companies.. I heard they all pulled out of there. "Bless their hearts"! To CEOs!
Value like bridges and hockey arenas and shopping centers
Bless their hearts. And just stab me in mine, too, ok?
Did she just bless those oil bastards hearts?
Why isn't gwen making palin answer the questions?
Go, Gwen! Go!

I haven't promised anything, so you can't expect anything from me! no fair!
Wow, this strategy of just bringing up random talking points is very confusing. How to keep up with the actual question?
She is making me feel all stabby.
"You" includes your running mate, about whose policies you should in theory be aware.
No, we don't want oversight.. We want REGULATION! There's a difference, you dingus!
Ex says 'she played Couric'
PALIN: I KNOW MORE ABOUT ENERGY THEN ANYONE IN AMERICA.

(but I don't know anything about what our campaign has promised)
Did she just disavow McCain and all his "promises"?
I really like how Joe is debating the guy who isn't there.
I don't get mad. I get stabby. First Simpsons reference of the evening? Nice..
I like her shoes. There. I can say something nice about Palin.
Way to turn it back on her Joe!
Ooooo and the Americans salivate at the sound of a $1000.00 check!
Bidens "widfall tax" answer was fantastic.
She's not a hideous mutant creature from Neptune. There, I can say something nice about Palin. Everybody else, your turn.
Audio guy is shite - there are more rings than a pawn shop in that room.
It was a bit wonky, though.
Was "kind of rear that head" in the drinking game?
Nobody's gaffing! Gaffe, damnit!
So you'd still string up mortgage strapped people, then? got it.

She's a smoooooth talker
Actually Biden was really the driving force on making bankruptcy more difficult.
John McCain is such a reformer that he reformed the system so that poor people got fucked over even further when they needed to declare bankruptcy. Also: ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU STUPID COW.
Corruption and greed on Wall Street? Since when?

But the movie was FICTION!
I think Biden's windfall answer through Palin off, she looks shaken.
From your lips, Zax.. Main street and wall street mixup..
Thank John McCain?

There are some things I'd like to thank him for, but I don't think they are any of the things she's just mentioned.
"We need to be appreciative of John McCain. We need to lick his shoes. We need to slather him with mooseburgers and roll our nubile bodies all over him."
So when is Biden going to mention that McCain never actually stopped campaigning?
The bankruptcy reform bill is my one big grudge against Biden.
Did she just say on the finance crisis "it's a toxic mess on Main St that affects Wall St"??
shiu mai baby: Get some white wine. When she's annoying, have some. You don't have to work tomorrow, do you?
PrinciPal.. it's a P not a B.. But he's right, tho..
goodnews: You betcha!
Palin's got that scharmy "You're fucking stupid" look down.
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION FOR FUCKING OUT LOUD.
Gwen, please don't set up yes-or-no rebuttals. "Is that so" is not a good prompt.
"All that we can! Drill baby Drill!"
Well, given Biden's close ties to the banks and credit cards, it's unsurprising ...

Wait, what? We're back on energy? I've got whiplash over here.
Ticket...ticket...ticket...that's a fun word isn't it?
It is not so. There, I answered a question. Now, where was I?
This is not going well.
She spent 30 seconds spouting words without making any points. Then whined about not being able DRILL BABY DRILL In alaska.
Anyone playing the bingo? Is tough.
Well, given Biden's close ties to the banks and credit cards, it's unsurprising ...

Seriously, that was wide open for her.
"East Coast Politicians." Read: librul gay faggy elites keeping us from drillin' in that useless chunk of land called ANWAR
It doesn't matter what caused it!
What happens when she runs out of paper?
Ooooo tapping into that magic oil baby. That wonderful magic, slippery oil.
No, you're not giving energy companies "tax breaks". They're called "subsidies".
Her delayed reaction in going back to previous questions is kind of amusing. It's like the Pre-recorded Call-In Show. Or a Time Machine bit on SNL.
See, you east coast politicians don't realize that we have *oil* in Alaska!
Every man activity of man.
It's just God huggin' us closer!
PALIN: I do not attribute all of man's activities to global warming.
Palin's speaking style is really grating. It's like she's literally sewing together talking points.
Can this climate change answer be the trainwreck moment?
She's on safer ground with climate change

christ, she went back to drill baby drill
Impacts! Four times!
How many times can you say "climate change impacts" in one breath?
I see some emissions you can get rid of right now. The ones coming out of your stupid yap.
wtf is she talking about?
Yeah, drill offshore to stop global warming! OH YEAH the US cares more about global warming than all those faggy Kyoto signatories!
I don't want to argue about the causes because you can just magically "clean-up" the planet without knowing what caused the problem. Jesus told me so.
You can actually pinpoint the exact moments her single track train of thought gets derailed. Watch her smiles.
Should I be concerned about this CNN graph thing?
My empathy is kicking in too much - I feel sorry for her (is that in the drinking game?).
JOE BIDEN: "JOE BIDEN!!!! AND JOE BIDEN!"
She's making me angrier than the speed of my fingers.
Bingo! Joe got it.
I do not attribute all of man's activities to global warming.

Somehow I parsed that as "man's activities as a result of global warming"

"I only blame short shorts on bad fashion, not global warming"
Mock the drilling. Good.
Actually most solar panels are made in China as well.

BIDEN: "DRILL BABY DRILL! JOE BIDEN LOVES THE DRILL!!!"
Man. I don't know if it's confirmation bias or not, but she really seems to be getting more rambly, not less, as this thing wears on. I don't think she's doing very well. Again, probably confirmation bias. But at least Joe is staying on message, and, you know, answering the question.
Man, I'm so glad I don't have to memorize all the voting specifics for my running mate as well as the opposition
This is like the UN and Model UN were both given the same conference room.
PEOPLE ARE STARVING FOR OIL
Those people chanting "Drill Baby Drill" are dentists, advocating good periodontal health. Oops, I mean: They're idiots.
She's so fucking proud of the "Drill, Baby, Drill" thing. I think I'm gonna be sick.
She does not play the pedant well. "The chant is Drill, Baby, Drill, Joe you ignorant slut."
"Clean, grean natural gas".

FUCKING HILARIOUS
OK, I switched to CNN. Women hate "drill baby drill."
Senator O'Biden. She just made him Irisher!
People are so hungry for oil. They want us to tap into the earth and let the oil flow right into their mouths.
shiu, she seems a bit more rambly to me too, but not necessarily signficantly so. We'll see.

TINY FOOTPRINTS
Tiny footprints? How can that be bad?
("grean"? I'm drinking too heavily already.)
Are we winning yet?
Senator O'Biden?
Nuke u laaaaar!
"New-cue-ler"!
Sarah Palin drinks your milkshake.
"Raping the continental shelf."

Also, there's no conversation going on. Zero.
hahaha, she actually said it

"DRILL BABY DRILL, FLOW INTO HUNGRY MARKETS!!"

Will Palin make the earth pay for it's own rape kit?
bottomhole n: the lowest or deepest part of a well.

Now you can ask: are we there yet?
WHERE ARE THE BRACELETS
I've got my WristStrong™ bracelet on..
Now, the gay-baiting portion of the program.
What to do about those carbon emissions¿
Good point Joe
Will Palin make the earth pay for it's own rape kit?

Favorited in my mind!
Alright, gay rights! Way to not shy away, Biden! Now, let's see what the fundy says....
JOE BIDEN LOVES GAY PEOPLE
This debate format sucks. I want them to be talking to each other, or else the moderator needs to be stronger.
Oooo here we go with the sex stuff
tiny footprints. like the footprints of a little fetus. which you will carry to term no matter what.
Joe, god bless you for being absolutely crystal clear on same-sex marriges and rights. AWESOME. LOVE!
Have I already hit two SNL references? The hell?
BIDEN: "Joe Biden is all for letting the gays drill baby drill!"
I don't think Biden was supposed to say "marriage."
The constitution is festooned with equal rights
Choosing surprise buttseks.
Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance......yeah right.
She has a diverse family? Does she have gay people in her family? Which of her kids is gay?
Palin: I HAVE GAY FRIENDS
SOME OF MY DEAREST FRIENDS ARE GAYLOVERS
Some of my best friends are gay.
PALIN: I will let gays have sex with each other, but I won't let them have any legal rights. But I have gay friends who disagree with me!
I'm tolerant but you gay people better not want to have the same rights. Just remember you are second class citizens
Negotiations and contracts for buttseks.
Good call Yarrow (and my wife)
bottomhole plug n: a bridge plug or cement plug placed near the bottom of the hole to shut off a depleted, water-producing, or unproductive zone.

Fuck you both on gay marriage
She has a diverse family? Does she have gay people in her family? Which of her kids is gay?

Well, at her rate, eventually she will have a gay kid. I'd say number 7 or 8.
BIDEN: I support gay marriage.
BIDEN: I do not support gay marriage
FUCKING NO DON'T LET HER DO THAT GWEN JESUS CHRIST
But she didn't answer Biden's question..
UGH! It hurts so much to hear a democrat sell out gay people. I mean, I realize he has to, but it fucking sucks.
Uh, I meant the candidates, there.
Is it just me or is she saying McCain/Palin administration often and intentionally?

She totally just said "yeah, what he said" on gay marriage.
You know when I wanted an exit strategy? FIVE F***ING YEARS AGO! growl hiss spit
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Hey, Sarah? How awesome is John McCain?
Great American: John McCain Drink!
The serrrrrrge. It reminds me of "Team America: World Police."

We're garrrrds. Garrrrrrds.

Serrrrrge.
Didn't Carlin talk about early withdrawal? "What did we do wrong in Vietnam? We pulled out! Not the manly way to do it."
What does "winning in Iraq" mean?
She does not support early withdrawl. Hence: 5 kids.
Did Palin say funny troops there¿

Funding¿

oh..
Palin does support early withdrawal as a birth control method, however.
Thank god there's no more Sunni extremists..
He didn't sell out gay people. He said "marriage" is a religious construct & should remain that way. I'm a helluvalot farther left than the democratic party but I agree with that.
We need to grow our military. In a greenhouse. With seeds. So we don't have to use human beings anymore
She has NO idea what she's saying. She knows which words she has to say, but she doesn't know why.
So THAT'S why she went to six colleges -- she had to keep looking for a place that let her PICK THE DAMN QUESTIONS ON THE EXAM.

Fuck you, Sarah Palin, for MAKING ME USE ALL CAPS.
Yeah, those lazy and greedy Iraqis.. I'm so sick of this Blame Iraq First stuff..
Biden is growin' on me.
I think Gwen let the gay marriage thing drop because she wanted to leave it with Palin's position being that she supports full equal civil rights for same-sex couples.
SURRENDERMONKEYS
FUMBLE!
FUNdamental difference :)
He didn't sell out gay people. He said "marriage" is a religious construct & should remain that way. I'm a helluvalot farther left than the democratic party but I agree with that.

I have no problem with a legal system that only recognizes Civil Unions, and leaves Marriages to the religious organizations. However, that also means that the US just wont recognize marriage for straight people either. And that is a too nuanced answer for any soundbite.
"No end in sight!"
Goddamnit, will someone explain to the McCain people that the serrrrrge is not going to work in Afghanistan? DIFFERENT WAR, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, REQUIRES A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
Taliban? In Iraq? Did she say that or did I mishear her?
The surge works because I say so.

We will leave when I say so.

I win the debate because I say so.
PALIN: FUCK THE CONSTITUTION, LET'S LET THE MILITARY RUN OUR POLICIES. IT WORKS SO WELL IN PAKISTAN.
White Flag of Surrender (tm). Fuck you. Fuck you so much I hope you fucking die and go to hell you fucking fuck.
Picking on Joe's son. She made him mad and she's happy.
BING-FUCKING-GO!
Surge. I guess I thought they were sewing something in Iraq.
Yeah, nice one Biden..
Palin can't keep this up. She's crumpling a bit.
WOOOOO! MRAPs!!

(I work at the company who builds MRAPs)
Okay, I've settled on my drinking game: I drink every time Sarah Palin talks.
She responds like a newscaster. At the end of each of her little speeches I keep expecting her to say, "Back to you, Joe."
I have:

Tax Relief
Job Creation
AIR SPACE
National Guard
Drill

Bing, fucking, go.
"God love him" Biden Bingo!
Why is this so nerve-wracking?
Oooh, Iran. This should be fun.
NO NO NO no talking about Nuclear Iran unless we also talk about Nuclear Israel.. Same with Pakistan and India! GROWL
"John McCain has been dead wrong on the fundamentals." But according to the McCain dictionary "fundamentals" are the great American workers. My head is spinning.
"Back to you, Joe."

heh
Except that al Qaeda doesn't order attacks in some top-down pyramid structure.. It's a very dissipated command structure, and most of the cells work independent of the so-called leadership in Afghan/Pakistan..
Is she taking notes, reviewing notes, or just writing ...

Oh, she's checking notes. "Petraeus! What was the question?"
And again with the "new-cue-ler".
Nuke uuuuu LAAAAAAR

'nother drink!

She can, however, pronounce Ack-my-deenijaahd.
"that leader of Al-Quieda" Whose name escapes me.
She caught herself saying nukyular.
Dear Sarah: Terror has two syllables. Ter-ror. Not Tehr. TER-ROR.
Palin vouches for "that leader" of Al Qaeda's honesty.
NOO Q LAR
I bet she goes for preconditions.. CALLED IT
They gave up on new-clear, evidently.
She said I'd believe Petraeus and the leader of Al Queda./
OOOps.
I'm gonna get drunk on nuke u lar
She's really proud of pronouncing "Ahmadinejad" correctly.
I have Super Castro Bros. DS. Is awesome.
I can't deal with 8 more years of nukyoolar.
Ladies and Gentleman! I give you the FLYING CASTRO BROTHERS!
Now we're going to have to talk about cheesesteaks.
She has learned how to say his name and by God she will say it as often as possible!
Henry Kissinger is a war criminal and he doesn't get to have any more say in how the world runs..
REspect for women's rights?
OUR FREEDOMS
w-w-w-w-ait... did she just identify herself as standing up for womens' rights?
"John McCain loves diplomacy. But....."
DIPLOMACY IS SERIOUS BUSINESS
"They hate America, they hate our freedoms"

Looong sigh from Biden.
RESPECT FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS

FUCKING ROT IN HELL YOU EVIL FUCKER!
Sarah being buddies with Kissinger is good enough for me.

To write her off as a human being of any worth whatsoever.
Yeah al Qaeda made a big stink about the Equal Rights Amendment..
There goes Biden with his damn facts again.
Oh, never mind, the cheesesteak quote was about Pakistani airstrikes. I'm getting my foreign policy ISSUES OF THE CAMPAIGN mixed up.
Capt. Renault: LOLZ. Love you.
Talk talk talk...damnit Joe that's for pussies! You need to shoot them. From helicopters
SPA-yuhn.
Way to dismantle an argument, Joe.
Yaaaay! Spain!
The Spain card. hahahah.
The government of SPAYNNNNNNNNN-AH
I have my fingers crossed hoping she says horseshit too.
OH SNAP there's Spain.
There are Palestinians in the Middle East? What do they have to do with us? Ferget 'em.. They're probably all terrorists..
Holocaust slogan count: THREE
I have this unsubstantiated belief that Palin relies far more heavily on "that" and "those" as articles than most speakers.
Second Holocaust. Oh you have got to be kidding me.
I hate that she didn't answer about Spain.

HOLOCAUST WTF?
Uhhh.. US Embassy in Jerusalem? Meaning it's all Israel's?
Israel is our BFF!
Well, to be fair, Iran would only consider it the first holocaust.
Second holocaust?

Too bad Joe didn't call her on the respect for women.
Big, big kisses to Isreal. Really. We will support Isreal. We will continue to shower them with money. Tax payers need to commit.
Because Bush is known for, if nothing else, peace in the Middle East.
Cmere, Sharon.. Lemme suck on your circumcised client state..
Well, to be fair, Iran would only consider it the first holocaust. +1 favorite
Slarty: Magnificent. Touche and then some.
Jew fight!
HEZZZZ bollah!
Palin's newcaster background is grating, but it helps her to smile as she speaks her hellish talk
Jew hugs!
Biden scores with intelligent thinking people.

Palin scores with people who want to be tucked into bed and told "don't worry, daddy and I will protect you."

Gwen is not scoring much though, or am I missing something?
Aww yay for Israel. They're so Jew-mendous!
Audible inward Biden sigh.
I'm so happy we both love Israel.
I'm so glad we both love jews!
HUGE BLENDERS
Booooo moderator
PALIN: "I don't know anything about bush's policies, but I LOVE ISREAL!"
What's this about dial polls? Anyone watching those?
"Blame game" Oh, shut up. Bush is the commander in cheif. Who else is there to blame?
STOP BLAMING US JUST BECAUSE IT'S OUR FAULT
Can we have more platitudes?
No blame game. No blame game!!!!! Only we are allowed to do that.
Best drinking game:

"When Palin claims she said “Thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere: demand a new drink from your hosts, say “thanks but no thanks,” and then when no one’s looking, take it anyway, then claim you never wanted it."
PALIN: "buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword"
He's so good at using his silent space, and effective use of repetition.. I'm going to cry when the Repubs start saying she won the debate.
Vary the damn intonation if you're going to use the same template four or five times, Joe.
THIS DEBATE IS FESTOONED WITH RESPECT
More oil drilling terms:

make up a joint v: to screw a length of pipe into another length of pipe.


newcuelar
OMG Nuclear weapons and Palin. Makes my hands shake
Nuclear holocaust is just TOO bad.
What did she say about nucular weaponry?
CNN has a tracker line showing real-time responses, broken out by men and women. It dropped a lot when Palin said "Maverick."
Kim Jungle™.. Coming up next on the Disney Channel!
No, don't talk about Afghanistan, answer the question!
+1 gnfti
Oh, you were on a roll with nucyoolar weapons, Sarah! Don't change the subject.
JESUS H. KEE-RIST. "Responsible" use of nuclear weapons?

The U.S. is still the only country to have used nuclear weapons on ACTUAL FUCKING PEOPLE.
My text to my friend (who is Jewish): "Palin: I'm so glad we both love Jews!"

My friend's text back: "Hahahaha. Too bad we all hate her!"
"Facts matter." Oh, you.
You have to say it the first time before you can say it again, Joe.
"Facts matter."
I just noticed Sarah's flag pin is festooned with gems. She is SUPER PATRIOT #1.
We will win in Afghanistan because I said so

We did not kill citizens in Afghanistan because I said so

We are building schools because I said so
I'M ANGRY AND I'M TAKING IT OUT ON THIS MICROPHONE
Okay, now he's going a bit far with repeating himself. Tone it down, Joe. (Jerky Boys: "Shut it down, Frank!")
nuclear log n: see radioactivity log.

Go, Joe! Three weeks vs 6.5 years.
QVC special, Slarty.
I'm glad that Biden is speaking slooowly and caaarefully. "Let me repeat that." Drive it home.
HEY JOE SOUNDBITES PLZ
DON'T FORGET POLAND! DRINK!
Serrrrrrrrrrrrge.
Biden sighed pretty loudly this time.
Wow, she paid attention to the Afghanistan breifing. Maybe that was the last one.
I actually think this is turning out to be kind of substantive, mostly because she keeps giving him a lot of openings to say concrete things.

Biden has to stop sighing.
"Those leaders who are over there." Palin syntax. That's what I'm talking about. I need to look into this.
pinch points n: the sections where body parts or other materials may be pinched.

Joe got beat on the Afghanistan question.
Joe has come down a little in energy. Somebody dose his ass.
Did he just dodge the counter-insurgency vs. surge question? I feel like he missed something there.
Are we talking about the Serrrrrb serrrge now?
So he trusted Bush? Then he's an idiot.
Jeez Joe, why not just marry Dick Lugar.
What's Palin smiling about over there?
No fly zone is about three years too late in Darfur..
Did he say Bosniaks?
Wait, Darfur now?
WASHINGTON OUTSIDER! DRINK!
Love me, love me, love me, I'm an outsider!
"You're one who says, as so many politicians do..."
Yeah, his energy dropped severely. He is sounding tired and defeated. Trying to beat a tar baby.
Could we please at some point talk about how the Iraq invasion was ILLEGAL? And how important it is to work through the UN?
Don't fall for it, Joe!
Holy shit, the CNN graph topped out for Biden and then dropped like a lead rock for Palin.
O Noes, the Warshingtun outsyder. Puhlease.
I think the sigh works for Biden. He's a scrappy working class bulldog who at some level is embarrassed just having to appear on stage with Palin, not an egghead professor type like Gore. Every person in America knows he's restraining himself with all his might.
She's smiling because she found the notecard.
PALIN: "American's are cravin' that straight <strike>cock</strike>, er, talk"
So now Biden = Kerry?
Dick Lugar - male prostitute.
I HAVE FORIN POLICY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I WATCHED YOU ON THE TEEVEE
I think the free-associating thing is rubbing off on Biden a bit.

Man, she is good at saying nasty things while grinning.
"See I haven't ever been in congress so I have no voting record that you can beat me with. La La La don't you wish you were me!
The wife: Democrats needs to raise the question of the International Criminal Court. No doubt.
Man, she is good at saying nasty things while grinning.

Newscaster experience. It's damn creepy.
The CNN heartbeat is of course idiotic, but I have to agree that Biden seems to be kicking ass on that thing.
Name-checking Cheney, at last. Woot.
Did he just get some energy back?
Since she was in grade 2, Cap'n.
Damn. I hate being reminded that we weren't greeted as liberators. I always liked the idea of soldiers being festooned with flowers and smooched by the ladies.
wait what war did mccain win?
"I can't quote anything I'm asserting you said, but you betcha I'm gonna assert it and let the talking heads get back to ya!"
PALIN: "word word word word. John McCain knows how to win wars."
Blenders? Blunders?
Oh, the press will find the answers for her - must not have found the right card.

ream v: to enlarge the wellbore by drilling it again with a special bit.
John McCain won Vietnam. That is awesome.
McCain knows how to win a war? When?
I think he's getting close to breaking her.
John McCain knows how to win a war? What? And where are these blenders we need to fight?
I, too, learn from my blender.
John knows how to win a war. I have faith because he never has won a war. But Jesus, McCain-- same thing.
This debate has just taken a really unseemly turn. Thanks for that, Gwen. Ugh.
Yeah, that's a pretty weird question.
The CNN graph thingie loves Joe Biden. LOVES HIM AND WANTS HIS BABIES.
Ooh, bring up Bush Doctrine.
FESTOOONED!

round trip n: the procedure of pulling out and subsequently running back into the hole a string of drill pipe or tubing. Also called tripping.
They say that every four years.. They're all important, quit with the hyperbole.
"Whaddaya expect! PEW! PEW!"
Maverick! Anwar! drink 3x.
Another wink..
Holy shit, did she wink?
Frickin' LameAss Mavericks.
CHUGS
What is the count on creepy winks now? 10? 20?
Vote Bob Roberts!
She'd drag McCain around like Weekend at Bernie's.
Palin doesn't sound very passionate about McCain not dying. She can't wait for him to die so she can DRILL BABY DRILL in anwar.
Isn't "a team of mavericks" an oxymoron? And why did McCain tell Palin to "check her opinions at the door"?
A choice! Palin's for choice!
Anyone wanna catch me up? Just got back from class.
She's losing energy. Or it's getting close to pump time. I know I always had a hard time thinking when the pressure built up.

Oh don't you tell me about small town, small minded people.

AGAIN, WOMAN, your citizens pay less taxes than others do!
The CNN graph thingie varies for Palin at this point. Some love, some "eh, she's ok" It's a difficult relationship.
She's almost salivating over the thought of McCain's death
I've been to Katie's!
Her total rambling makes this bingo hard. I have no idea what buzzwords could possibly be coming next.

GOOD THING I ALREADY FUCKING WON!!!!!

also: Joe Biden is handy.
That Kool-Aid must be fucking fantastic. I'd hate myself if I ever came out of it, but in the meantime, a hell of a fucking trip...
We're a team of Mavricks! Smile smile smile. I just love the idea of running the country MY way!!!! Whoo Hoo! Wasilla reality. Big Box stores. Polluted lakes. Debt. Increased Taxes. Cutbacks on libraries and museums. Charging rape victims for their forensic kits.
She'd drag McCain around like Weekend at Bernie's.

Favorited!
For some reason when I was in grad school we talked about ANWR all the time. It was like the default policy case study. It was ANWR overload.
Doggone it.. You betcha!
COME ON DOWN TO MY HOOD!
Now doggonit! Stop talking about Bush!
What did she say about Biden's wife?
Two cliche's for the price of one!

Goddoneit!
"Say it ain't so, Joe, there ya go again"

SARAH PALIN FOR POET LAUREATE '08.

And holy Christ, she just referenced HIS DEAD WIFE.
"Her reward is in heaven, because her salary is shit."
Did she just make a death threat on Biden's wife?
Hey I'm a teacher too, and lemme tell ya, we're not getting our reward here! You wanna help teachers? GET RID OF NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!
Oh I see. Joe is not allowed to mention the Bush Administration according to the Palin Big Book 'O Rules
OMG!
I can't believe that she is for real the real candidate...
Oh....my bad.
Why is she talking about Education now? Is her Markov generator set to random walk?
Shout outs? Is this MTV Spring Break?
graventy: She's an idiot. He's sighing a lot.
Oh here we go again with the bizarre tear down of American schools and teachers.
WINK

I figured it out. Palin is foldy in drag.
THIS DEBATE IS FESTOONED WITH CORPSES.
Talk about a lame attempt at a joke.
Ack! Banter!
Ooh, she found out what the VP does.
Why we should get rid of No Child Left Behind (and lots of other business-model-of-education horsecrap)
Laughter! It's audience anarchy from now on.

Someone told her that the VP presides over the Senate.
"McCain has already tapped me?"
Thanks, scartol. That's pretty much what I heard on the radio, but..
JOHN MCCAIN HAS ALREADY TAPPED ME. LOLZ.
When John McCain says "I wantcha", RUN. RUN HARD, RUN FAST.
"John McCain has already tapped me."

So that explains the veep selection
JOHN MCCAIN HAS ALREADY TAPPED HER
They were playing Heads Up Seven Up and she won
Barack's "prejudicy"?

AWESOME
Did she answer the education question?

Oh, good Joe - left behind, left behind, left behind. That ought to be a book.

sidetrack v: to use a whipstock, turbodrill, or other mud motor to drill around the original planned path of the well.
More tapping. This time into positions.
I would *not* tap that.
Palin: I agree with Cheney!
Further syntax notes: Palin is like the case study of neglected elipsis. Why drop something that you can needlessly repeat explicitly?
Our founding fathers there were sure wise there in that Constitution there.
EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE!

But also, kinda legislative if I get in there.
Executive experience. Drink!
LONGEST RUN-ON EVAR!

RAMBLE ON RAMBLIN' ROSE
Biden cannot contain his mocking laughter when Palin talks about what the VP does.
Here's where I don't know if she understands the implications of the Cheney/VP/Constitutionality thing or if she's trying to be straight with us that she wants to be Dictator of America.
I'm sort of developing a dork-crush on Dion. He's not so petulant; just achingly, lovably inarticulate in English.
I am so glad I'm not tracking cooter counter resets here.
Is Alaska a huge state?
Interesting answers on the vice presidency.

What are the weak spots?

tight spot n: a section of a borehole in which excessive wall cake has built up, reducing the hole diameter and making it difficult to run the tools in and out. Compare keyseat.

Oh, she's weak now, bringing up the kids.
Impeach Cheney./
How will you pay tuition bills, Palin? With kickbacks from oil companies..
ABOUT TIMES AND TODD: the Sarah Palin story
More tapping. And oh look, she's the mom of a special needs child. Had you heard?
Psst, Gwen: You need to explain to Palin what "Achille's heel" means.
being the mayor of the crystal meth capital of Alaska is enough experience to be president.
Talking points greatest hits.
America is a nation of un-elite exceptionalism. Reagun rules.
DO NOT FORGET TO MENTION ALASKA'S ENERGY.
Blah blah blah ENERGY INDEPENDENCE blah blah blah MOM blah blah blah SPECIAL NEEDS blah blah blah JOHN MCCAIN
Her speech really is festooned with run on sentences.

Oh, and Reagan! Drink!
What on Earth does this have to do with the question?
Who is this Rollins guy who's given out like twice as many Analyst Scorecard points as anyone else?
trip in v: to go in the hole.

trip out v: to come out of the hole.

NEWSFLASH: Alaska judge is not supressing Troopergate subpoenas.
she is Dirk Diggler
Hey.. personal experience from Democrats.. nice.
"Some say my Achille's heel is my great passion. And my stunning good looks."
Palin's achilles heel is that John McCain is the greatest human ever.
I did not know that McCain voted against VAWA. That makes me hate him that much more.
Help maintain a respectful discussion by focusing comments on the issues at hand—not at other members of the site.

Good thing Palin's not a member of this site. =)
HOLEE SHIT BIDEN'S A HUMAN
Oh god. I love Joe Biden so fucking much right now.
Fuckign sound guy, figure it out. Why are they wearing mics when they are at podiums with mics?
Oh, my family tragedy beats your family tragedy. Goddamn.

Whoa! He brought on the tears! That was beautiful, planned or not.

uncased hole n: see open hole.
Biden had a good answer on being a single parent and raising kids. Touching.
Biden is choking up. Palin follows up with chipper markov.
Maverick Maverick Maverick Maverick
John McCain....(I'm hearing this in my head like the shrill shriek of a peacock)
My Achilles' heel is that I cannot stop saying 'maverick.'
She needs to say MAVERICK some more.. OH YEAH No one's more left wing than Lieberman. Yay Israel!
John McCain: House Minority Maverick
A bunch of rich assholes like John McCain! Maverick!
I miss having nice connotations for the word "maverick." Now I want to use it when someone's being inconsiderate. "You're being a maverick. Stop that."
Alright, what's the maverick count now? Must be over 20 by now.
MAVERICKROLL'D!
"He's the man we need to leave, uh, LEAD!"
That slight emotional concession from Biden made him look so so so good.
or Senate Minority Maverick.

MOAR BEER!
Let's talk about the maverick! Go, take off the gloves!

Are they making closing statements now? I think she rebooted.
Maverick defense shield go!
Biden's reaction just cut the legs out from under her. She seems a thousand times more shallow and insubstantial right now by comparison.
HAHA! Biden is curb-stomping the maverick meme.
Biden: Maverick: he is not.
But see, Joe, they call him the maverick, takin' shots from both parties!
That is a good question.
CNN graph thingie doesn't like Gwen Ifill.
Fuckign sound guy, figure it out. Why are they wearing mics when they are at podiums with mics?


He does suck, but you have wireless mics on them because those mics follow the motion of the head. Lectern mics are usually only for backup.
Bork!
Bork!

That takes me back...
Oh I can't wait to hear what she has changed her stance on. I'm guessing it has something to do with the wonderful mavrickness of John McCain.
Seriously, folks, I cannot believe the power of that brief moment in Biden choking up. It was just stunning. I really love him for it.
Senor Cardgage i am mentally favoriting you so hard right now...
Palin: I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong.


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"Something I quasi-caved in, if you will."
Oh, God, NO Biden, don't say "intellectual".
Maverick
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A maverick is an unbranded range animal, especially a motherless calf.
Palin: I've only qusicaved, up there in Alaska.
Is that her excuse for the rape kits? "I had to pass that budget to progress"
Up in Alaska we are all so perfect. I want to bring the very Alaskaness to Washington DC
Yay schyler Senor Cardgage for VP! "I want you to gemblefund my shining keys, Kettlepot."
A MOTHERLESS CALF: the John McCain story
You appoint people regardless of party affiliation. High school affiliation is another matter.
RESPECT JESSE HELMS
No one cares about your supposedly diverse family, lady!
I like how she talks about appointing people regardless of political agenda, but leaving out the part about them being her friends from high school.
We will track Bin Laden to his quasi-cave.
I get along with members of my own family. Really! Even if they don't always agree with me. I still talk to them!
Hahaha. Her 'diverse' family. Whoo!
Palin: "10: RANDOM WORD; 20 GOTO 10;"
I hope for her sake she clarifies which one is supposed to be McCain's policies
*braincramp*
Awesome, Biden's gonna have the last word.
Oh yeah because her ability to speak to the American people is so limited.. BLEAUGHH
"I like being able to answer these tough questions. I look forward to doing so at some point."
Oh, yeah, diss the mainstream media. I'm sure they'll just adore that.
Mainstream media! Drink!
You're currently speaking through 6 broadcast channels of the "mainstream media".

Jerk.
Hey, did you guys somehow get this debate without the filter of the mainstream media? Because I didn't.
What filter is she talking about? Direct quotes are not filters, lady.
The Merikan People. I just love the average every day people like me who are worth $1 million!
Shot at the MSM... when the entire country is watching through the MSM.. enjoy
"Back in the day".. aw yeah, shout out to Long Beach!
Freedom isn't free!



Buck o'five.
Fight for your freedoms, because the Government isn't gonna give them to you.
Wait, so there's going to be a future part in American history when we'll have to talk about back when men and women were free?
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She namedrops McCain.

He namedrops a surprising number of legislators.
Obama/Biden: putting the FUN back in FUNdamental change
What the hell is she talking about. A vote for Obama is a vote for TYRANY. We'll be telling our kids about the time that America was not a totalitarian socialist quasicave!
Hah! McCain didn't suspend his campaign, he was...

waiting on cement (WOC) adj: pertaining to the time when drilling or completion operations are suspended so that the cement in a well can harden sufficiently.

Powder puff answer from Palin. Loved Biden's answer on how he would change the tone.

Her closing statement is disjointed. Quoting Regan? Your children's children? I saw that blink, lady.

Eh, not bad, Biden.


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Giggity giggity diggity respect.
America! FUCK YEAH!
ack, scratch that.
Biden held his own and more. Obama's lead is solidified.
Pretty solid close.
Aaaaaand Biden sticks the landing!
Lots of fun, people. Thank you all for making it more entertaining..
God and War in the closer, way to go, Joe.
Thank god the kids are on the stage now.
Daaaad n' maaah, wanna come up 'erre so I can exploit ya fer a photo op?
Right -- now to the debate that I SHOULD have been watching...
So, Pres debate redux? Outside candidate came off a little stronger than expecatations, non-game-changer, bases will run with confirmation bias? I won't give Palin the same credit with independents, but all in all no huge movement.
No knockout punches, but I think Biden comes out on time in terms of convincing independents. Palin captured her base, but that's about it.
Where'ma kids?
People on CNN's live blog <3 Obama.
C'MON, TODD, THROW A PUNCH
You stay away from my happy Christmas place, Sarah Palin!
Capt. - the Canadian one?
There's Bristol.
MY SECRET CHRISTMAS PLACE NOOOOO
Can you see me holding my baby? I'm just like YOU.
thanks for doing this, brandonblatcher. I'm watching this alone here tonight & it would have been really scary without the comments giving it all perspective.
And after hugging his wife the first thing Biden does is walk over and shake the hand of Palin's father. Pretty classy, methinks.
This was a good time, indeed. Thanks again, BB.
Ok, Mommy has to work now, someone else hold the baby.
Yeah, cheers Brandon.
The families milling around on stage thing is fun! Why didn't they do that for the Presidential debate?
No problem, we can do it again for the President debates.
Rachel Maddow is on MSNBC.
Yeah, thanks, Brandon. Having company was good!
Lieberman's on CBS. He first said he wouldn't say anything negative. He said Palin hit a homerun from the heartland.

I hate him sooo much.
Thinking more about it, if the best we can say about Palin is "Hey, she didn't screw up," then doesn't that say a lot?

Biden was pretty awesome at times, though, amazingly so.
Thanks for this Brandon.
brandon, I love this little project of yours. Wish I could spend more time here on non-debate nights. Thanks.
This was cool. Thanks, Brandon.
Debate could have used more festooning.

Thanks, Brandon!
The independent voters on Fox think Palin won the debate. The refrain seems to be "She spoke to America."
We were festooned with mavericks. God bless us. Everyone.
Well, you guys are missing out on a pretty decent Canadian Leader's debate. Sort of.
CNN's Ohio independents didn't care for Palin's perky and folksy schtick.
Yeah, thanks Brandon! As the only liberal in my dorm here at Texas's most conservative public school, it is damn nice to have a forum to discuss these things at. Muchas gracias!
Half an hour of the Canadian debate reveals:

1. Dion is performing well, despite his English;
2. Duceppe is a fishwife;
3. Layton is a starry-eyed dogmatic;
4. Harper a condescending sonofabitch; and
5. May has no business being there.

Winner, Dion, but it's not much of a contest.
Tina Fey '08
Actually, the Canadian debate reveals that the one most suited to being Prime Minister is moderator Steve Paikin.
She was a sewing machine stitching together nonsense from the fabric of talking points she had committed to memory.

And more importantly, I'd like to shun any mention of "expectations". The debate has occurred. Expectations are now officially irrelevant. Whether she met them or not has no impact on the substance of her performance. That performance must be compared to her opponents, not to some imaginary expectation cast from a crystal ball.

Clear win for Biden.
Thanks again Brandon, this was fun.
Clear win for Biden.

I think a lot of regular voters would have a hard time agreeing with that because there was no real knockout punch. However if you mention Biden choking up, espeically in reference to Palin's tone deaf comment that brought it about, they'd say Biden won.

She was a sewing machine stitching together nonsense from the fabric of talking points she had committed to memory.

Great comment.
Indeed. Thanks, Brandon, everyone.

G'night.
Thanks ya'll, pleasant dreams.
Yep Cap'n, what Is May doing there¿ Crickey.
Paiken, always prepared and so smooth.
Oh yeah, Palin got the name of the General in Afghanistan wrong. It's McKiernan, not McClellan.
The Washington Post does fact checking on both candidate's claims
brandon, you're probably right about the optics. We won't know till a few days out when the polls have absorbed this. I'm not good at measuring the "feel" of things, which is why I object to the media basing their analysis on it. Things like the CNN meter and post debate interviews with a selectively "balanced" audience really boil down to pseudo-statistics. They're trying to provide analysis of people's gut reactions when they should be analyzing CONTENT of answers to questions. I've been thinking that at least the Presidential Debate Commission could go through the trouble of providing official judges and a scoring system for these.

Also: it really makes me sad every time I see a newborn baby up at these hours so he can be used as a prop.
Also, Palin will get accolades for her aggressive approach, but it was like a novice swinging a broadsword, desperate to hit something. Biden was a like a master swordsman, easily batting aside her immature thrusts. Those who like energy, will love Palin. Those who admire skill will love Biden.

Those aren't sure, but are looking for someone who knows what they're doing will spring for Obama/Biden.
From our freinds on the other side:

FReep this poll: Who did a better job in the vice presidential debate? (URGENT--she's in trouble!)
I'm guessing you missed the beginning, Capt. Renault. They took pinned Harper's arms behind his back and stuck bugs in his mouth. And May acquitted herself quite well, IMO.
I might be an outlier but on the surface I feel Palin won the debate. Poured on the folksy talk, very photogenic. Then again, the flash polls seem to disagree and I'm glad about that. Also, I tend to echo the sentiment that I hope and think this debate won't matter too much come November 4.

(So what were the ratings like?)


Thanks butterstick, Brandon, and everyone. Good night.
Post debate... I think Biden won. Palin was off topic too much and over an hour of winks and "folksy sounds" was just too damn much.

As to Lieberman: Man he must be sweating bullets, he hitched his wagon to the wrong campaign and is going to be low man on the totem pole come Jan.

Sarah can go back to AK and face the music without the $ and people of a prominent senator keeping her wolves at bay.
Moosalini has spoken.
not McClellan

Yeah, I was wondering what the hell Scottie had to do with that.
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